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台灣總統蔡英文接受CNN專訪

總統:習近平是一個大國的領導人,可惜的是,這個大國不是一個民主國家,至少現在不是。要治理這樣大的國家不容易,但治理大國的最好制度為何,則取決於領導人。重要的是,領導人認為這樣的大國想和區域及世界的其他國家維持怎樣的關係,想和區域及世界的每個人維持和平關係嗎?還是想站在主導地位,讓每個人都聽他的,聽中國的,但不一定喜歡中國?這是選擇的問題。我相信許多人會說,想和區域及世界其他國家維持和平關係,這也包括台灣。

A: Xi Jinping is the leader of a very large country. Unfortunately, it is not a democratic country, at least for the moment. It is not going to be an easy job to run a country of that size. But it is the leader's decision as to what sort of system would be best for running a country of that size. But what is important also is the leader's view as to what sort of relationship a country of that size wants to have with the rest of the region and the rest of the world. Does Xi want to have a peaceful relationship with everybody in the region or in the world? Or does Xi want to be in a dominant position so that everybody listens to him, listens to China, and does not necessarily like China? So, it is a matter of choice. I am sure many people would say,"We would like to have a peaceful relationship with the rest of the world and the rest of the region," and that includes Taiwan.

問:您有興趣和習主席會談嗎?您希望和他有更多的溝通嗎?

Q: Are you interested in speaking with President Xi? Would you like to have more communication?

總統:多溝通是有幫助的,可以減少和避免誤解,更了解彼此。我們也一再表示,願意和中國對話,這也是在處理兩岸關係時,避免誤解、錯估、誤判的最佳途徑。

A: More communication would be helpful. That would reduce misunderstanding, avoid misunderstanding. We would be able to know each other better, and we have said it again and again that we want to have a dialogue with China, and this is the best way to avoid misunderstanding, miscalculation, and misjudgment in the management of cross-strait relations.

問:前任總統曾和習主席會面。您認為自2016年以來,兩岸溝通為何停擺?

Q: Your predecessor did meet with President Xi. Why do you think the communication has really gone sour since2016?

總統:我認為,情勢變化很大。中國對區域的部署已和以往大不相同,現在更有企圖心,更為擴張主義,因此,過去他們能接受的事情,現在可能無法接受。

A: I think the situation has changed a lot, and China's plan towards the region is very different from before. It is more ambitious, more expansionist, and therefore things that were acceptable to them then may not be acceptable to them now.

問:您認為如何才能重啟這條溝通管道?

Q: What do you think it is going to take to get that communication line back open?

總統:我認為這需要相關各方的努力。我們一再表示,對話非常重要,希望與中國建立和平的關係。因此,我們耐心以待,以維持現狀作為兩岸政策的核心,這表示我們有耐心。我們希望與中國進行有意義的交流,以便共同探討減少兩岸歧見的可能性,希望最終能夠找到解決歧見的途徑。

A: I think it requires the efforts of all the parties concerned, and we have said again and again that a dialogue is very important and that we want to have a peaceful relationship with China. Therefore, we would like to be patient, and so we have been maintaining the status quo as the core of our policy, meaning that we are patient. And we want to have a meaningful exchange with China so that we can together explore the possibilities of reducing the differences between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait and hopefully, eventually, be able to find a path to resolve all these differences.

問:您相信有無任何形式的「一中政策」是台灣人民可能接受的?

Q: Do you believe that the"one China policy" in any form would be acceptable for the people of Taiwan?

總統:有各式各樣的「一中政策」,美國有自己的「一中政策」,而中國有「一中原則」,但在香港體現的「一國兩制」卻毫無意義。

A: Well, there are all kinds of"one China policies." The US has its own"one China policy," but China has the"one China principle" as demonstrated in Hong Kong, and that makes"one country, two systems" meaningless.

問:所以您並不相信中國的「一國兩制」真的會在台灣兌現?

Q: So, you don't believe that China's"one country, two systems" would actually be delivered here in Taiwan?

總統:這是誠信問題。台灣人民已經明確表示不接受「一國兩制」作為兩岸議題的解方。

A: It is the issue of credibility, and the Taiwanese people have said clearly that they do not accept"one country, two systems" as the formula that can resolve cross-strait issues.

問:這正是您以高票贏得連任的關鍵議題。現在面對緊張升高、軍事侵略、錯假訊息,您要採取怎樣的策略來確保台灣在您接下來的任期以及未來,仍能屹立不搖?

Q: And that was the key issue that caused you to win reelection by a large number. Now the tensions are escalating; you have military incursions and disinformation. What is your strategy to make sure Taiwan remains being Taiwan for the rest of your term and beyond?

總統:我們必須做好良善治理,人民才會對民主有信心。我們必須有效治理國家,並推動經濟發展。

A: We have to perform well with good governance, so that people will have faith in democracy. We have to be effective in running the country and get the economy going.

問:2020年成長很快。

Q: Fastest growing in2020.

總統:是的,沒錯。首先,這正是我們要讓人民知道,一個民主國家和民主政府可以有效率地解決我們面臨的各種難題。其次,我們必須加速國防改革,讓我們有能力自我防衛。基於台灣和中國的面積差異,台灣的關鍵在於發展不對稱戰力。第三,我認為最重要的是,我們面臨全球的迅速變遷。各國都面臨一個這樣的問題,有些人們無法在全球迅速變遷的時代中生存,於是,政府必須為這些人們提供各種照顧服務。所以,在接下來兩年半的任期中,我要繼續努力全面改善照顧體系,讓老年人、弱勢族群和年輕人都能受到更好的照顧,年輕人可以從社會安全網中獲得協助,有妥善的社會安全網,他們就會更有競爭力,更願意嘗試新事物。

A: Yes, that's right, and this is exactly what we are trying to tell people—that a democratic country or government can be effective in addressing all sorts of difficulties that we are faced with. Secondly, we have to expedite our military reform, so that we have the ability to defend ourselves, given the size of Taiwan compared to the size of the PRC. Developing asymmetric capabilities is the key for us. Thirdly, I think what is most important is that we are faced with rapid global change, and therefore every country is facing the issue that some people cannot survive in the time of rapid change. As a result, you have to provide care and help these people. So, what I want to do in the next two and a half years is to continue with my effort to improve all the care systems so that elders and the disadvantaged and young people will be better taken care of, so that young people can have a social security net. With this in place, they can become more competitive and willing to try new things.

問:您提到,台灣雖然沒有很多正式的外交盟友,但有很多朋友,還有很多人想要買台灣製造的晶片。在台灣爭取國際社會支持的策略上,半導體產業扮演什麼樣的角色?

Q: You mentioned how Taiwan may not have a lot of formal diplomatic allies but does have a lot of friends, and you also have a lot who want chips made in Taiwan. How does the semiconductor industry factor into your goals in terms of getting support globally?

總統:半導體產業是台灣的領頭羊產業,代表台灣有能力生產對世界發展至關重要的產品。而這需要很好的產業基地、很好的基礎建設以及豐沛的人才。這個產業向世界證明,它們的存在非常重要,也同時向世界展現台灣的成就,展現出我們有很好的產業基地、豐沛的人才。

A: The semiconductor industry is the leading industry here. It represents the ability of Taiwan to produce products that are critical for global development. And that requires a good industrial base, good infrastructure, and abundant supplies of talent. On the one hand, the semiconductor industry has proven to the world that they are very important, and it also demonstrates what Taiwan can achieve, that we have a good industrial base and abundant supplies of talent.

問:和大陸的緊張局勢是否對供應鏈造成威脅?

Q: Do the tensions with the mainland threaten the supply chain in any way?

總統:是的,威脅的確存在,但至少在現階段,還在可控制的範圍內。世界認定台灣半導體產業是他們必須協助且保護的產業。這也是中國需要考慮的,因為中國也需要台灣製造的半導體產品。

A: Yes, the threat is there, but it is still manageable at this moment. The world looks at the semiconductor industry as something they should help and protect. China must also consider that it also wants semiconductors from Taiwan.

問:您是否想過實際再度發生戰爭的可能性,以及台灣可能會再度遭到攻擊?

Q: Do you ever think about the realistic possibility of war and that Taiwan would be the target?

總統:身為領導人,不能排除任何可能性。而身為領導人,必須為任何可能做好準備。

A: Well, as a leader, you cannot exclude any possibilities. As a leader, you have to prepare for any contingency.

問:台灣現在準備得如何?

Q: So how prepared is Taiwan today?

總統:我們隨時做好準備,我們要讓自己在各方面更加強大,包括國軍戰力、國際支持,以及和世界各國共享價值,讓他們了解台灣的重要性。

A: We are making ourselves ready. We are trying to be stronger in every aspect, including military capabilities and getting international support, as well as sharing values with other countries so that they understand the importance of Taiwan.

問:面對氣候變遷、能源生產困難等威脅,您準備如何因應?

Q: How are you preparing for the threats from climate change, and also difficulties with energy production?

總統:這對台灣和其他國家都是非常嚴峻的挑戰,台灣有龐大的產業需要大量水電。我們在規劃達成2050淨零目標的需求時,必須確保產業有足夠的水電供應,以維持營運。所以,這對我們而言,是相當艱鉅的挑戰,但是,我們必須制定、修正並執行計劃,以因應這些挑戰,重點在於優化和執行我們的計劃,期使在2050年如期達成目標。

A: This is a serious challenge for Taiwan as well as for other countries. Taiwan has a large industrial sector, which requires a lot of electricity supply and water. While we are making plans to meet the requirement of net zero by2050, we also have to make sure industries have enough water and electricity supply to operate. So it is going to be a very difficult challenge for us, but we have to draw, refine, and execute a plan to meet these challenges. It is a matter of refining the plan and executing the plan at a speed that is required for us to meet the2050 deadline.

問:您是亞洲最進步社會之一的領導人,向來支持原住民族及多元性別族群(LGBTQ+)。台灣是亞洲第一個同婚合法化的國家。您支持的少數族群,是其他國家想要加以同化的,什麼原因促使您支持少數族群,擁抱他們的差異?

Q: You are the leader of one of the most progressive societies in Asia. You support indigenous people and LGBTQ+ people. This is the first place in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage. What motivates your support of minorities and willingness to embrace their differences?

總統:我在年輕人的幫助下完成這一切,因為他們相信這些價值,想要達成這樣的平權。當民進黨開始推動婚姻平權時,我們承受巨大的壓力,有些人因為宗教和其他種種原因而反對,幾乎遭逢政治危機。但是,由於年輕人的堅持,成為我背後的力量。最終,我們得到大法官的支持,以釋憲揭櫫民眾,這是應該做的事。後來,我們進行了公投,很多人認為這是執政黨的挫敗,然而,我們終究完成了立法,讓人民享有婚姻平權。過程非常艱辛,不過,回過頭來看,我認為這一切都值得。

A: I have done all this with the help of young people because they believe in these values. They want to achieve this level of equality. When the DPP started this campaign for marriage equality, we were under a lot of pressure because people were against us for religious and other reasons. We almost had a political crisis. But it is the young people who are very persistent. They are the force behind me. Eventually we had the support of the grand justices, who issued a constitutional interpretation to tell people that this is what to do. And then we had a referendum that some saw as a defeat to us, but eventually we passed the legislation that provides marriage equality. It is a very difficult process, but looking back, I think it is worthwhile.

問:當您思考所要留下的政績—我知道您的任期到2024年5月才屆滿,還有很多時間—當人民回顧您兩屆任期時,您最希望他們記得您這位台灣領導人什麼事?

Q: When you look and think about your legacy, you still have plenty of time left, but when people look back at your two terms, what do you want them to most remember about your time as the leader of Taiwan?

總統:我希望人民記得我盡最大的努力,保護這塊土地,讓這塊土地更安全、更堅韌、人民更團結。

A: I hope they will remember me as someone who makes utmost effort to protect this place, make this place more secure, more resilient, and people more united.

問:您認為您更接近目標了嗎?

Q: Do you believe that you are moving closer to that goal now?

總統:正朝著這個方向前進,希望我們速度可以更快些。

A: We are moving toward the that direction, and I hope we can move at a faster speed.

問:由於您不必再擔心連任,在剩下的任期中,您想努力但還沒完成的最大目標是什麼?

Q: As you do not have to worry about reelection, what is your biggest remaining goal that you have not done yet?

總統:身為這個國家的總統,我想要達成的是,我在2016年上任時制訂了一個計劃,現在正在執行中,並依需要加以修正,但必須加快速度朝目標前進。基本上,我想做以下這些事情:第一,加速國防改革,這樣我們才能更有能力保護我們的國家。第二,我們想要強化台灣與世界的連結,基於共享價值結交朋友。我們已經得到許多的國際支持,我們希望得到更多。第三,我想要讓人民凝聚更大的共識。因為,台灣是移民社會,人民在不同時間來到這裡,對過去擁有不同記憶。我們要以民主方式建立共識,避免外來勢力分裂社會,讓人民更加團結,更有韌性。

A: As to what I want to achieve as the President of this country, I have laid out a plan in2016 when I became the President. We are implementing the plan and modifying the plan when necessary, so we are moving toward the plan. But we have to move faster to those goals. Essentially, I want to do the following: expedite our military reform so that we can better protect our country; and secondly, we want to make Taiwan better connected with the world, and therefore we want to make friends with shared values. We already have international support, a lot of support already, but we want more. Thirdly, I want to build a stronger consensus among our people here. Taiwan is an immigration society, people came to Taiwan in different times and have different memories from the past. The way we try to avoid the society being divided by external influence is to generate consensus here in a democratic way, so that people will be more united and resilient.

就如我所說的,我們必須確保所有的照護制度都到位,提供一個完善的社會安全網。能源方面也是我們必須加緊腳步的,我們的確有2050淨零的挑戰,因此必須朝這方向加速前進,我們要能夠減少碳排放,同時進行產業結構調整與轉型,我們也必須提升能力,以因應氣候變遷或極端氣候導致的天災。

And as I said, we have to make sure that all our care systems are in place, so that we have a complete social safety net. The other thing on which we have to move faster is the energy area since we have the challenge of net zero by2050, and therefore we have to move fast in that direction. We have to move fast in carbon emission reduction and carry out industrial restructuring and transition. And increase the ability to respond to natural disasters originating from climate change and extreme weather.

基本上,在強化人民克服困難的意志、軍事實力、經濟、基礎建設等各方面,所有能讓這塊土地更加堅韌的事,都是我在未來任期中想要做的。

Essentially, making this place more resilient—in terms of the will of the people to overcome difficulties, the strength of our military and economy, and the resilience of infrastructure—is what I want to do for the rest of my term.

問:以現在的民主台灣和威權中國來說,您認為雙方能和平共存嗎?或是有一方必須有所讓步?

Q: Do you believe that it is possible for democratic Taiwan and authoritarian China to coexist peacefully, or does one side need to make concessions?

總統:對於台灣、中國、甚至全世界人民來說,這可能都是最具挑戰的議題。雖然我們的政治體制不同,我們仍可以坐下來談、妥適處理、和平共存。我認為,這是台灣人民的期待,我希望這是中國的期待,也是區域各成員人民的期待。

A: This is probably the most challenging issue for the people here in Taiwan and for people in China, or even for the people in the world. Although we have differences in political systems, we can still sit down and talk about our differences and make arrangements so that we would be able to coexist peacefully. I think it is the expectation of the people here, and I hope it is the expectation for the people in China, as well as people in the region.

問:您有話想跟習主席說嗎?

Q: Do you have a message for Xi?

總統:我期盼他能和 中華民國政府及人民有更多的對話,以更了解台灣的現況,當然我們也會多和中國溝通。

A: I would encourage him to have more dialogue with the government and the people here in Taiwan to get a better feel what it is like in Taiwan. And of course, we will do more to communicate with China.

問:有沒有其他想跟全世界朋友說的話,或是其他重要想說的?

Q: Any other message to your friends around the world? Or anything else that is important that you want to say?

總統:台灣的存在對區域和世界都非常重要,在我們嘗試讓自己更強壯、可以保護自己的同時,我們也需要世界的幫忙,支持台灣,是一件很有意義的事情。

A: The existence of Taiwan is very important to the region and to the world. While we are trying to make ourselves stronger to protect ourselves, we also need the help of the world. It is meaningful to support Taiwan.

問:為什麼世界應該在乎台灣?

Q: Why should the world care about Taiwan?

總統:大家需要台灣來證明民主存在的意義,需要台灣來證明,有國際社會的幫助,即使小,也能在大的一方威脅下生存下來。

A: We need Taiwan to show that democracy works. We need Taiwan to show that with the help of the international community, even a small party can survive while under threat from a bigger party.

問:如何推動軍事現代化和發展不對稱戰力?有哪些具體措施?

Q: How to modernize the military and build asymmetric capabilities? What are the specific steps to achieve that?

總統:與中國相比,我們確實較小,所以必須更有效利用資源。我們著重於機動且具致命一擊的武器裝備,這是我們國防改革的重點。我們的軍事制度承續自中國,這個制度是設計來防衛幅員廣大的土地,和保護一個小島的方式不同,所以我們必須改變建軍的傳統思維。

A: We are a smaller place than China, so we need to use our resources more efficiently. We are focusing on weapons that are mobile and lethal as well. This is an area of emphasis in our military reform. We have this military tradition, a system that was developed and inherited from China, which was designed to protect a big piece of land. And the way you protect a big piece of land is very different from protecting a small island. So we have to change the traditional thinking of how the military should be structured.

問:我之前看過有關豪豬戰略的資訊…

Q: I was reading something about the porcupine strategy…

總統:大致是這樣的概念。

A: That is the thought.

問:台灣的策略是在獲得其他國家幫助前,試圖自我防衛一段時間?

Q: Is Taiwan's strategy to try to defend for a period of time until you get help from other countries?

總統:我們定會竭盡所能保護自己,但我要重申,得到我們的朋友和理念相近國家的支持,也是重要的事。

A: We definitely want to defend ourselves as long as we can, but let me reiterate-- it is important that we have the support from our friends and also like-minded countries.

問:您相信美國、日本會馳援台灣嗎?

Q: Do you believe the US and Japan would come to Taiwan's aid?

總統:他們會以各自的方式。

A: One way or another.

問:您認為我們現在是否捲入區域軍備競賽?

Q: Do you think we are caught up in an arms race in the region right now?

總統:我認為,解決這個問題的最佳方式,是讓各方坐下來談,如何在這個區域和平相處。

A: I think the best way to address this issue is for all the parties to sit down and talk about how we are going to deal with each other peacefully in this region.

問:您希望台灣是這些討論的核心部分嗎?

Q: Would you like Taiwan to be the central part of that discussion?

總統:是的。

A: Definitely.

(https://www.president.gov.tw/NEWS/26294)

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